[WED]Walls
Stephen L. Brown
wedmore@lists.tutton.org
Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:05:36 -0600
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Hi Tim,
And many thanks for your input. I have reviewed your ideas and =
have added some further comments in bold face. My e-mail address for =
that gedcom file is slb2@ix.netcom.com
Hi Stephen
All very perplexing I agree: my comments in Italics are appended.
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From: Stephen L. Brown=20
To: wedmore@lists.tutton.org=20
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:33 PM
Subject: [WED]Walls
Hi Tim,
I was very interested in your mention of Uriah Wall. I have three =
of them in my data base and perhaps you can help me out with some =
associated problems.
The first Uriah Wall baptised 19 Nov 1777.....parentage unknown.
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I think he may have been son of John Wall and Sarah Fuller, as they =
were of Clewer when Sarah died in 1792.
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This is undoubtedly correct and Uriah fills that gap rather nicely =
between Benjamin baptised on 7 Sep 1775 and Sarah on 27 Aug 1780.
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I believe he married Ann Haggs at Wedmore in 1805=20
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Haggs and Higgs were interchangeable spellings - and while Ann Haggs =
was daughter of John and Sarah Haggs, a John Higgs married a Sarah =
Tutton in 1780.
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and had the following children ;
John 1807 , William 1808 , Uriah 1809 , Edmund 1811 and Nancy in =
1816.
His wife Ann died in Sep 1821 and he then married Hannah Drew at =
Wedmore in Feb 1823. They had the following children ;
Hannah 1823 and James Tutton in 1827. The first question is why =
was this last son baptised James Tutton?
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Perhaps if implausibly after his first mother-in-law!
Hmmm......anything is possible I suppose! I think I should research =
this further.
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Perhaps Michael would know?
This Uriah died at Crickham in Jul 1835 at the age of 58. His second =
wife Hannah died four years ealier at Crickham in Dec 1831 at the age of =
47. Is this indeed the Hannah Drew baptised at Wedmore on 2 Feb 1792 or =
another? Is there an error in the registers as this Hannah would be only =
39 in Dec 1831?
We know baptisms sometimes were several years after births, and this =
may be one of them.
This is possible although it appears that Richard Drew and his wife =
Elizabeth baptised their children in order.
Alternatively the burial could refer to Hannah wife of John Wall who =
were parents of Sarah bap. Sept 1805
This is interesting? Do you know who these folks were? Looking in =
Herveys Index No.1 of the Wedmore registers a John Wall is listed as =
being married at Wedmore in 1789. However the marriage list for 1789 =
does not include a John Wall! Jonathon Wall and Hannah Binning married =
in 1789 and I assume this is simply an error. It is certainly possible =
that Sarah baptised Sep 1805 is their daughter , again filling the gap =
between Toby in 1803 and Mary in 1807 but this would again call for an =
error in the entry....listing Jonathon as John! Hannah ( Binning ) Wall =
died at Heathhouse in Mar 1813.
The second Uriah is the son mentioned above and baptised at Wedmore =
on 27 Dec 1809. He married Mary? about 1834 and migrated to Bristol but =
at least some of his children were returned to Wedmore for baptism. This =
couple had numerous children many of whom died in infancy. He can be =
found in the 1851 Census living in the parish of St.Phillip and Jacob , =
Bristol. I understand that one of his sons emigrated to Quebec.
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The third Uriah Wall was the son of Benjamin Wall and his wife =
Christopheranna Wiseman and was baptised at Wedmore on 11 Jan 1804. He =
died at Cluer aged 50 in Jan 1853. He married Eliza? about 1826 and had =
two sons William in 1827 and George baptised 1 Apr 1835 and is shown in =
the 1851 Census as a widower. Do you know who is wife was?=20
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No I don't!=20
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I cannot find her burial in the registers so I assume she was returned =
to her home parish for burial.=20
Finally there is a Uriah Wall listed as farmer from Crickham and =
his wife Nancy who have the following children ;
Sarah , baptised 9 Jun 1814 ; George , baptised 3 Jun 1819 and =
Hannah baptised 23 Jul 1821. I have been unable to reconcile these folks =
and any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Certainly =
these children would fit into the gaps between the birth of Edmund Wall =
in 1811 and the death of his mother Hannah Drew in 1823 and perhaps you =
have already determined that this is indeed the case? But why do the =
registers record the mother as Nancy? The only Nancy Wall I see in the =
burial register is in 1824 for the above mentioned Nancy baptised in =
1816.=20
There are some instances of persons known under two names, which could =
apply to Ann and/or Nancy Haggs Wall given baptism of Nancy d of Uriah =
and Ann in 1816 - but this is pure speculation.
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Also I see that there were apparently three Uriah Walls in the 1840 =
Rate Book (reprinted in Cuthbert Rose's book), one was named junior, =
which suggests that Uriah of Crickham husband of Nancy is extra to those =
whose baptisms we know, as Uriah the 1st was dead by 1840.
Excellent.....the non baptised Uriah husband of Nancy is the third but =
who he is remains a mystery.
Clearly we need some additional source material - maybe Hazel Hudson =
could help. I will send you my GEDCOM separately(complete no doubt with =
lots of errors and false assumptions!)
Also I would be greatly interested in your Gedcom file of the =
Walls
Thanking you in advance and my best regards.
Stephen L . Brown slb2@ix.netcom.com
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Tim,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> And many =
thanks for=20
your input. I have reviewed your ideas and have added some further =
comments in=20
bold face. My e-mail address for that gedcom file is <A=20
href=3D"mailto:slb2@ix.netcom.com">slb2@ix.netcom.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Stephen</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All very perplexing I agree: my =
comments in Italics=20
are appended.</FONT></DIV>
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<A href=3D"mailto:slb2@ix.netcom.com" =
title=3Dslb2@ix.netcom.com>Stephen L.=20
Brown</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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title=3Dwedmore@lists.tutton.org>wedmore@lists.tutton.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 08, 2002 =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [WED]Walls</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Tim,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I was very =
interested in=20
your mention of Uriah Wall. I have three of them in my data base and =
perhaps=20
you can help me out with some associated problems.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> The first =
Uriah Wall=20
baptised 19 Nov 1777.....parentage unknown.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>I think he may have been son of =
John Wall and=20
Sarah Fuller, as they were of Clewer when Sarah died in=20
1792.</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><EM> </EM></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>This is undoubtedly correct and Uriah fills that gap =
rather=20
nicely between Benjamin baptised on 7 Sep 1775 and Sarah on 27 Aug=20
1780.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I believe he married Ann Haggs =
at Wedmore=20
in 1805 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>Haggs and Higgs were =
interchangeable=20
spellings - and while Ann Haggs was daughter of John and Sarah=20
Haggs, a John Higgs married a Sarah Tutton in =
1780.</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and had the following children =
;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> John 1807 , =
William 1808=20
, Uriah 1809 , Edmund 1811 and Nancy in 1816.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>His wife Ann died in Sep 1821 and he =
then married=20
Hannah Drew at Wedmore in Feb 1823. They had the following children=20
;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Hannah 1823 =
and James=20
Tutton in 1827. The first question is why was this last son baptised =
James=20
Tutton?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>Perhaps if implausibly after his =
first=20
mother-in-law!</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Hmmm......anything is possible I suppose! I think I =
should=20
research this further.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Perhaps Michael would =
know?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This Uriah died at Crickham in Jul =
1835 at the=20
age of 58. His second wife Hannah died four years ealier at Crickham =
in Dec=20
1831 at the age of 47. Is this indeed the Hannah Drew baptised at =
Wedmore on 2=20
Feb 1792 or another? Is there an error in the registers as this Hannah =
would=20
be only 39 in Dec 1831?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>We know baptisms sometimes were =
several years=20
after births, and this may be one of them.</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>This is possible although it =
appears=20
that Richard Drew and his wife Elizabeth baptised their children =
in=20
order.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>Alternatively the burial could =
refer to=20
Hannah wife of John Wall who were parents of Sarah bap. Sept=20
1805</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>This is interesting? Do you know who these folks were? =
Looking in=20
Herveys Index No.1 of the Wedmore registers a John Wall is listed as =
being=20
married at Wedmore in 1789. However the marriage list for 1789 does =
not=20
include a John Wall! Jonathon </STRONG><STRONG>Wall and Hannah Binning =
married=20
in 1789 and I assume this is simply an error. It is certainly possible =
that=20
Sarah baptised Sep 1805 is their daughter , again filling the gap =
between Toby=20
in 1803 and Mary in 1807 but this would again call for an error in the =
entry....listing Jonathon as John! Hannah ( Binning ) Wall died at =
Heathhouse=20
in Mar 1813.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> The second Uriah is =
the son=20
mentioned above and baptised at Wedmore on 27 Dec 1809. He married =
Mary? about=20
1834 and migrated to Bristol but at least some of his children were =
returned=20
to Wedmore for baptism. This couple had numerous children many of whom =
died in=20
infancy. He can be found in the 1851 Census living in the parish =
of=20
St.Phillip and Jacob , Bristol. I understand that one of his sons =
emigrated to=20
Quebec.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> The third =
Uriah Wall was=20
the son of Benjamin Wall and his wife Christopheranna Wiseman and was =
baptised=20
at Wedmore on 11 Jan 1804. He died at Cluer aged 50 in Jan 1853. He =
married=20
Eliza? about 1826 and had two sons William in 1827 and George baptised =
1 Apr=20
1835 and is shown in the 1851 Census as a widower. Do you know who is =
wife=20
was? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>No I don't! </EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I cannot find her burial in the =
registers so I=20
assume she was returned to her home parish for burial. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Finally =
there is a Uriah=20
Wall listed as farmer from Crickham and his wife Nancy who have the =
following=20
children ;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Sarah , =
baptised 9 Jun=20
1814 ; George , baptised 3 Jun 1819 and Hannah baptised 23 Jul =
1821. I=20
have been unable to reconcile these folks and any help you can give me =
would=20
be greatly appreciated. Certainly these children would fit into the =
gaps=20
between the birth of Edmund Wall in 1811 and the death of his mother =
Hannah=20
Drew in 1823 and perhaps you have already determined that this is =
indeed the=20
case? But why do the registers record the mother as Nancy? The only =
Nancy Wall=20
I see in the burial register is in 1824 for the above mentioned Nancy =
baptised=20
in 1816. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are some instances of =
persons known=20
under two names, which could apply to Ann and/or Nancy Haggs Wall =
given=20
baptism of Nancy d of Uriah and Ann in 1816</FONT></EM><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><EM> - but this is pure speculation.</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>Also I see that there were =
apparently three=20
Uriah Walls in the 1840 Rate Book (reprinted in Cuthbert Rose's book), =
one was=20
named junior, which suggests that Uriah of Crickham husband of Nancy =
is extra=20
to those whose baptisms we know, as Uriah the 1st was dead by=20
1840.</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Excellent.....the non baptised Uriah husband of Nancy is =
the=20
third but who he is remains a mystery.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>Clearly we need some additional =
source=20
material - maybe Hazel Hudson could help. I will send you my GEDCOM=20
separately(complete no doubt with lots of errors and false=20
assumptions!)</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Also I would =
be greatly=20
interested in your Gedcom file of the Walls</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Thanking you =
in advance=20
and my best regards.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> =
Stephen L .=20
Brown <A=20
href=3D"mailto:slb2@ix.netcom.com">slb2@ix.netcom.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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