[WED]Browns of Wedmore
Stephen L. Brown
wedmore@lists.tutton.org
Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:54:53 -0500
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Hi Lynn,
And thanks for the information. If you reference the George Stagg =
family in 1881 Census for Wedmore you will find Mary Tincknell with as =
memory serves me three children. Her husband Henry is still living =
though not present.
Regards,
Stephen L. Brown slb2@ix.netcom.com
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From: Lyn Nunn=20
To: wedmore@lists.tutton.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WED]Browns of Wedmore
Hi Stephen and all.
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I think it might be me you are thinking of re Tincknells. I was on =
walkabout. :) I have Henry Tincknell (the son of Benjamin Tincknell and =
Ann Cord) and Mary Ann Cooper but no issue for them. I will have to =
check my files thoroughly as I know of a Stagg connection somewhere =
(perhaps from the same census as you). The Sarah Tincknell you mention =
was the daughter of Simon Tincknell and Sarah Pople and I have not =
traced a marriage for her yet, so you may be correct in your thoughts.
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If I find anything I will let you know.
=20
regards
=20
Lyn
=20
in Australia
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From: Stephen L. Brown=20
To: wedmore@lists.tutton.org=20
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:04 AM
Subject: [WED]Browns of Wedmore
Hi again Fay,
O.K. so I got one out of three . . . LOL. So just to =
finalise things . . it is the George Wall son of Robert Wall and Sarah =
Clarke baptized 12 Jun 1848 that married Eliza Jane Brown. The =
discrepency in their ages in the 1881 Census is not a problem. So here =
we have another example of two brothers marrying two sisters.
I might be able to add a little information on the George =
Wall son of Mark Wall and Ann Gummer that married Louisa Brown. The =
following entry is taken from Mark 1851.
Yarrow=20
WEST Thomas 74 Farmer 14 Acres Mark, Som.=20
Ann 33 Mark, Som.=20
GUMMER Mark Wall son 3 Scholar Mark, Som.=20
WEST Joseph Servant 15 Farm Servant Mark, Som.=20
I interpret this as Ann daughter of Thomas West marries a =
person by the name of Gummer who then dies. She then has an illegitimate =
child christened Mark Wall Gummer whose father is Mark Wall. Entries =
such as this often indicate a woman that has been traduced however in =
this case we know that Mark Wall and Ann Gummer married within a year or =
so and that they had a son George who became the husband of Louisa =
Brown. Mark Wall is the son of James Wall and Hannah also listed in Mark =
1851.
Now there is a marriage at Wedmore on 19 Jan 1815 between =
James Wall a resident of Mark and Hannah Popham. They have a son George =
baptized at Wedmore 7 Feb 1815 whose father James is listed as a farmer =
of Westham. After this entry they dissapear to my knowledge from the =
Wedmore registers. Can we assume that they moved to Mark soon after this =
and named their next son for their new home. I have seen examples of =
this were children are baptized Wookey or Widcombe when the family have =
moved to these communities although it is usually as a second given =
name. It is a great clue sometimes in genealogical work. If this first =
assumption is correct then they are the same James and Hannah Wall in =
Mark 1851. It seems most likely. Who the parents of this James Wall and =
Hannah Popham are I do not know. Some of the Popham people here might =
know the answer.
As to the Mary Tincknell I did find a marriage of one Mary =
Ann Cooper to a Henry Tincknell in Mar 1872.
Also the following entry in 1851 Wedmore at Bagley might shed some =
light.
31=20
WARD Thomas 64 Penioner Ag. Lab Wedmore, Som. B. Wife 47 Wookey=20
COOPER M.A. Daughter 8 Scholar Wedmore, Som.
A rather cryptic entry indicating that a B. married a Cooper =
who died in the late 1840's possibly buried at Wookey. This B. then =
married Thomas Ward. I also found a marriage between a Betsey Read and a =
William Cooper in Jun 1842. I think we can assume that this Betsey Read =
is the B. in the above and that M.A. Cooper is Mary Ann Cooper future =
wife of Henry Tincknell. There is a marriage record at Wedmore in 1828 =
between a Thomas Ward and Sarah Ganfield but no burial record for a =
Sarah Ward. The designation of pensioner almost always means Chelsea =
Pensioner so Sarah could of died and been buried anywhere from Gibralter =
to Calcutta.
In 1881 Wedmore there is a Mary Tincknell age 38 at the home =
of one George Stagg and his wife Sarah. Marys husband is not present but =
she is listed as a sister in law. I know there is someone here at the =
group who specialises in Tincknells whose name escapes me but I believe =
we are looking for a marriage between this George Stagg and a Sarah =
Tincknell. This Sarah Tincknell could well be the daughter of Simon and =
Sarah Tincknell close neighbours of Thomas Ward at Bagley. If they also =
had a son Henry then . . . case closed.
You are correct about so many Somerset people migrating to =
South Wales for work. There is one other Brown family of Wedmore located =
at Whitchurch , Glamorgan in the 1881 Census. The wife Jane and three =
children are at home. The father and another son would seem to be =
visiting Wedmore at the time although the father seems to have avoided =
enumeration. See the Wedmore entry for Alfred Brice. I am sorry to say I =
have no knowledge of these folks.
Finally you did not mention the Ann Wall that married Joseph =
Brown . . . do you have any information on her?
Best wishes Faye and keep up the good work.
Yours,=20
Stephen L. Brown slb2@ix.netcom.com
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> And =
thanks for the=20
information. If you reference the George Stagg family in 1881 Census for =
Wedmore=20
you will find Mary Tincknell with as memory serves me three children. =
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Regards,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 25, =
2002 6:16=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [WED]Browns of =
Wedmore</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Stephen and all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think it might be me you are =
thinking of re=20
Tincknells. I was on walkabout. :) I have Henry Tincknell =
(the son=20
of Benjamin Tincknell and Ann Cord) and Mary Ann Cooper but no =
issue for=20
them. I will have to check my files thoroughly as I know of a Stagg =
connection=20
somewhere (perhaps from the same census as you). The Sarah Tincknell =
you=20
mention was the daughter of Simon Tincknell and Sarah Pople and I have =
not=20
traced a marriage for her yet, so you may be correct in your=20
thoughts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If I find anything I will let you=20
know.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lyn</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in Australia</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 23, =
2002 7:04=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [WED]Browns of =
Wedmore</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Hi again =
Fay,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG> O.K.=20
so I got one out of three . . . LOL. So just to finalise things . =
. it is=20
the George Wall son of Robert Wall and Sarah Clarke baptized 12 =
Jun 1848=20
that married Eliza Jane Brown. The discrepency in their ages in =
the 1881=20
Census is not a problem. So here we have another example of two =
brothers=20
marrying two sisters.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG> I=20
might be able to add a little information on the George Wall son =
of Mark=20
Wall and Ann Gummer that married Louisa Brown. The following entry =
is=20
taken from Mark 1851.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Yarrow =
</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>WEST Thomas 74 Farmer 14 =
Acres Mark,=20
Som. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Ann 33 Mark, Som.=20
</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>GUMMER Mark Wall son 3 =
Scholar Mark,=20
Som. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>WEST Joseph Servant 15 =
Farm Servant=20
Mark, Som. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
I=20
interpret this as Ann daughter of Thomas West marries a person by =
the name=20
of Gummer who then dies. She then has an illegitimate child =
christened=20
Mark Wall Gummer whose father is Mark Wall. Entries such as this =
often=20
indicate a woman that has been traduced however in this case we =
know that=20
Mark Wall and Ann Gummer married within a year or so and that they =
had a=20
son George who became the husband of Louisa Brown. Mark Wall is =
the son of=20
James Wall and Hannah also listed in Mark =
1851.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG> Now=20
there is a marriage at Wedmore on 19 Jan 1815 between James Wall a =
resident of Mark and Hannah Popham. They have a son George =
baptized at=20
Wedmore 7 Feb 1815 whose father James is listed as a farmer of =
Westham.=20
After this entry they dissapear to my knowledge from the Wedmore=20
registers. Can we assume that they moved to Mark soon after this =
and named=20
their next son for their new home. I have seen examples of this =
were=20
children are baptized Wookey or Widcombe when the family have =
moved to=20
these communities although it is usually as a second given name. =
It is a=20
great clue sometimes in genealogical work. If this first =
assumption is=20
correct then they are the same James and Hannah Wall in Mark 1851. =
It=20
seems most likely. Who the parents of this James Wall and Hannah =
Popham=20
are I do not know. Some of the Popham people here might know the=20
answer.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
As to the=20
Mary Tincknell I did find a marriage of one Mary Ann Cooper to a =
Henry=20
Tincknell in Mar 1872.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Also the following entry =
in 1851=20
Wedmore at Bagley might shed some light.</STRONG></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>31 </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>WARD Thomas 64 Penioner =
Ag. Lab=20
Wedmore, Som. B. Wife 47 Wookey </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>COOPER M.A. Daughter 8 =
Scholar=20
Wedmore, Som.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
A rather=20
cryptic entry indicating that a B. married a Cooper who died in =
the late=20
1840's possibly buried at Wookey. This B. then married Thomas =
Ward. I also=20
found a marriage between a Betsey Read and a William Cooper in Jun =
1842. I=20
think we can assume that this Betsey Read is the B. in the above =
and that=20
M.A. Cooper is Mary Ann Cooper future wife of Henry Tincknell. =
There is a=20
marriage record at Wedmore in 1828 between a Thomas Ward and Sarah =
Ganfield but no burial record for a Sarah Ward. The designation of =
pensioner almost always means Chelsea Pensioner so Sarah could of =
died and=20
been buried anywhere from Gibralter to =
Calcutta.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
In 1881=20
Wedmore there is a Mary Tincknell age 38 at the home of one =
George=20
Stagg and his wife Sarah. Marys husband is not present but she is =
listed=20
as a sister in law. I know there is someone here at the group who=20
specialises in Tincknells whose name escapes me but I believe we =
are=20
looking for a marriage between this George Stagg and a Sarah =
Tincknell.=20
This Sarah Tincknell could well be the daughter of Simon and Sarah =
Tincknell close neighbours of Thomas Ward at Bagley. If they =
also had=20
a son Henry then . . . case closed.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
You are=20
correct about so many Somerset people migrating to South Wales for =
work.=20
There is one other Brown family of Wedmore located at Whitchurch , =
Glamorgan in the 1881 Census. The wife Jane and three children are =
at=20
home. The father and another son would seem to be visiting Wedmore =
at the=20
time although the father seems to have avoided enumeration. See =
the=20
Wedmore entry for Alfred Brice. I am sorry to say I have no =
knowledge of=20
these folks.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
Finally you=20
did not mention the Ann Wall that married Joseph Brown . . . do =
you have=20
any information on her?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
Best wishes=20
Faye and keep up the good work.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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bsp; =20
Yours, </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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Stephen L. Brown <A=20
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