[WED]Re: Eliza Banwell & Eleanor Duckett
Mathew Duckett
mathew.ducket1@btopenworld.com
Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:30:53 +0100
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Dear Lyn,
I doubt if you will get to far with this idea. Obviously there were =
social barriers in the Wedmore area but most of the land was =
historically owned by the church or the crown. As a result there was no =
large land owner. The "Lords of the Manors" were well off but not very =
wealthy and freely married into the more educated farming families. The =
middle ranking farming families would have married in either direction =
up to the "yeoman" farmers and down to the "more respectable" of the =
farm labourers. The absence of Banwells in the Duckett records is I =
think coincidence, both families and the Tincknells were well =
represented in the upper and middle ranking farming families and would =
have regarded each other as equals. That is not to say that there were =
no representatives of these families amongst the farm labourers. The =
sons of George Duckett of Theale 1738-1825 are a good example. His =
second son William appears to have been a very successful farmer yet the =
youngest son John ended in the workhouse. Elisha and Joseph were clearly =
poor men; James, George and Edward perhaps somewhere in between. As far =
as I can see the descendants of Joseph 1734-1822 who was George snr. =
brother were all relatively secure.=20
Many people married amongst their neighbours and relatives (second =
cousins and cousins by marriage). I am sure that brother / sister in law =
marriages were quite common. Religion was an impediment, a lot of =
tradesmen were non conformists (Methodists and Baptists), many farmers =
would have regarded marriage to "trade" as worse than marriage to the =
labouring classes. I think geography was the single most important =
factor in this area.
Don't let me stop you it might prove interesting. I have never heard of =
anything like a family feud in Wedmore but you never know.
Matthew
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Lyn Nunn=20
To: Mathew Duckett=20
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WED]Re: Eliza Banwell & Eleanor Duckett
Hi again Matthew. Your comment about there being no Banwells etc in =
your tree made me smile. I have a school friend who is a Banwell but =
from the Gloucestershire line. When I started researching and found =
Banwells in Wedmore we wondered if we were related. However I could not =
help but notice that in the 500 odd years the Tincknells were in Wedmore =
they never once married a Banwell. They seemed to continually marry into =
most Wedmore names except a few, one being Banwell. I wondered if there =
was some sort of curious division in the community. I think though it is =
most likely co-incidence and the fact that I particularly looked for =
Tincknell/Banwell marriages, even in an indirect way. One day when I am =
extremely bored I might sit down and extract social information like =
that. :)
From memory, a Tincknell married a Cicely Reeve, so I have Reeves too.
regards
Lyn
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mathew Duckett=20
To: Rosalind Torrent=20
Cc: Wedmore lists=20
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 3:05 AM
Subject: [WED]Re: Eliza Banwell & Eleanor Duckett
Dear Rosalind, your note caught my attention. I can't say that =
Banwells, Taylors or Hills feature in my index but I do have some =
Reeves.=20
I have a copy of a will for Thomas Duckett of Batcombe dated =
1642/43.=20
In brief,=20
(Item) 5 To my sister Alice Reeve Two Five Sheep.
(Item) 6 To my sister Elizabeth Reeve Two Five Sheep.
(Item) 10 Unto my Brothers Thomas and William Reeve One Five Sheep =
apiece.
(Item) 11 All residue etc to Marie Duckett my Wife and I do appoint =
her to be my Executrix.
(Item) 12 I appoint to be my overseers of this my last will and =
testament William Reeve, my father in law and Donald Comer and give them =
four shillings apiece.
I have only listed the Reeve items. The will was transcribed by the =
late Eric Banwell in 1998 and credit is due to him. He states that the =
transcription is loose and that the spelling of Reeve is variable. He =
also suggests that the sisters and brothers could be in laws. I think it =
is true of the brothers, but the sisters might be actual.
Batcombe is the same farm as has come up in the Duckett/ Banwell =
correspondence. This is probably a coincidence.
Batcombe cum Nyland is an oddity. It is a area of land between =
Cheddar and Draycott / Rodney Stoke. One farm in Batcombe, perhaps five =
in Nyland probably a few cottages as well. Batcombe Farm was =
historically a Priory administered by Glastonbury Abbey, after the =
reformation it would have been sold off. The area was still administered =
by Glastonbury (presumably St. John's parish) until as late as 1900. =
The inhabitants used Cheddar Church but the records are not =
comprehensive (there is a shortage of Duckett burials compared with =
marriages and baptisms). Rodney Stoke Church is as close as Cheddar.
Also Wedmore marriages,
25 1 1710 Edward Duckett and Elizabeth Taylor.
11 2 1769 William Reeve and Mary Duckett.=20
Mary was a widow by the name of Nuttycomb, she married Edward =
Duckett on 27 1 1760 in Wedmore. I understand her maiden name was Wall. =
Robert Nutticombe married Mary Wall on 1 2 1759 in Wedmore. He died on 7 =
9 1759 in Wedmore. Fast work!
Matthew
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rosalind Torrent=20
To: Mathew Duckett ; Lyn Nunn=20
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:55 AM
Subject: Eliza Banwell & Eleanor Duckett
Dear Mathew and Lyn,
Tim Curtin forwarded information to me about your entry on the =
Wedmore lists regarding a Bible and Eliza Banwell and Eleanor Duckett. =
Whilst I probably cannot be of much assistance with that line of =
enquiry, I thought it might be useful to mention the connection I might =
have with the Banwells, Ducketts and other families from Rodney Stoke, =
Draycott and surrounds. My ancestors were essentially Reeves, Hill and =
Taylor and amongst my research I have come across marriages with =
Ducketts and Banwells. I have just got a couple of Grimsteed wills which =
mention Henry Banwell of Nyland. I am happy to share more details of my =
research with you if you see a possible connection to your enquiry.
I would also like to mention that I am happy to communicate with =
anyone who might have an enquiry about anyone who passed through the =
doors of St Leonard's, Rodney Stoke (alive or dead) or who lived in =
Draycott. I seem to be able to find a connection with just about =
everybody.=20
Ros Torrent
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Lyn,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I doubt if you will get to far with =
this idea.=20
Obviously there were social barriers in the Wedmore area but most of the =
land=20
was historically owned by the church or the crown. As a result there was =
no=20
large land owner. The "Lords of the Manors" were well off but not very =
wealthy=20
and freely married into the more educated farming families. The middle =
ranking=20
farming families would have married in either direction up to the =
"yeoman"=20
farmers and down to the "more respectable" of the farm labourers. The =
absence of=20
Banwells in the Duckett records is I think coincidence, both families =
and the=20
Tincknells were well represented in the upper and middle ranking farming =
families and would have regarded each other as equals. That is not to =
say that=20
there were no representatives of these families amongst the farm =
labourers. The=20
sons of George Duckett of Theale 1738-1825 are a good example. His =
second son=20
William appears to have been a very successful farmer yet the youngest =
son John=20
ended in the workhouse. Elisha and Joseph were clearly poor men; James, =
George=20
and Edward perhaps somewhere in between. As far as I can see the =
descendants of=20
Joseph 1734-1822 who was George snr. brother were all relatively secure. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Many people married amongst their =
neighbours and=20
relatives (second cousins and cousins by marriage). I am sure that =
brother /=20
sister in law marriages were quite common. Religion was an impediment, a =
lot of=20
tradesmen were non conformists (Methodists and Baptists), many farmers =
would=20
have regarded marriage to "trade" as worse than marriage to the =
labouring=20
classes. I think geography was the single most important factor in this=20
area.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don't let me stop you it might prove =
interesting. I=20
have never heard of anything like a family feud in Wedmore but you never =
know.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Matthew</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dlnunn@bigpond.net.au =
href=3D"mailto:lnunn@bigpond.net.au">Lyn Nunn</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dmathew.ducket1@btopenworld.com=20
href=3D"mailto:mathew.ducket1@btopenworld.com">Mathew Duckett</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 18, 2007 =
11:54=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [WED]Re: Eliza =
Banwell &=20
Eleanor Duckett</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old Style" color=3D#000080>Hi =
again Matthew.=20
Your comment about there being no Banwells etc in your tree made me =
smile. I=20
have a school friend who is a Banwell but from the Gloucestershire =
line. When=20
I started researching and found Banwells in Wedmore we wondered if we =
were=20
related. However I could not help but notice that in the 500 odd years =
the=20
Tincknells were in Wedmore they never once married a Banwell. They =
seemed to=20
continually marry into most Wedmore names except a few, one being =
Banwell. I=20
wondered if there was some sort of curious division in the community. =
I think=20
though it is most likely co-incidence and the fact that I particularly =
looked=20
for Tincknell/Banwell marriages, even in an indirect way. One day when =
I am=20
extremely bored I might sit down and extract social information like =
that.=20
:)</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old Style"=20
color=3D#000080></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old Style" color=3D#000080>From =
memory, a=20
Tincknell married a Cicely Reeve, so I have Reeves=20
too.</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old Style"=20
color=3D#000080></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old Style"=20
color=3D#000080>regards</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old Style"=20
color=3D#000080></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Goudy Old Style"=20
color=3D#000080>Lyn</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmathew.ducket1@btopenworld.com=20
href=3D"mailto:mathew.ducket1@btopenworld.com">Mathew Duckett</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Drftorrent@primusonline.com.au=20
href=3D"mailto:rftorrent@primusonline.com.au">Rosalind Torrent</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dwedmore@lists.tutton.org=20
href=3D"mailto:wedmore@lists.tutton.org">Wedmore lists</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 19, 2007 =
3:05=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [WED]Re: Eliza =
Banwell &=20
Eleanor Duckett</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Rosalind, your note caught my =
attention. I=20
can't say that Banwells, Taylors or Hills feature in my index but I =
do have=20
some Reeves. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have a copy of a will for Thomas =
Duckett of=20
Batcombe dated 1642/43. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In brief, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(Item) 5 To my sister Alice Reeve =
Two Five=20
Sheep.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(Item) 6 To my sister Elizabeth =
Reeve Two Five=20
Sheep.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(Item) 10 Unto my Brothers Thomas =
and William=20
Reeve One Five Sheep apiece.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(Item) 11 All residue etc to Marie =
Duckett my=20
Wife and I do appoint her to be my Executrix.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(Item) 12 I appoint to be my =
overseers of this=20
my last will and testament William Reeve, my father in law and =
Donald Comer=20
and give them four shillings apiece.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have only listed the Reeve items. =
The will=20
was transcribed by the late Eric Banwell in 1998 and credit is due =
to him.=20
He states that the transcription is loose and that the spelling of =
Reeve is=20
variable. He also suggests that the sisters and brothers could be in =
laws. I=20
think it is true of the brothers, but the sisters might be=20
actual.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Batcombe is the same farm as has =
come up in the=20
Duckett/ Banwell correspondence. This is probably a=20
coincidence.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Batcombe cum Nyland is an oddity. =
It is a area=20
of land between Cheddar and Draycott / Rodney Stoke. One farm =
in=20
Batcombe, perhaps five in Nyland probably a few cottages as well. =
Batcombe=20
Farm was historically a Priory administered by Glastonbury Abbey, =
after the=20
reformation it would have been sold off. The area was still =
administered=20
by Glastonbury (presumably St. John's parish) until as late as =
1900.=20
The inhabitants used Cheddar Church but the records are not =
comprehensive=20
(there is a shortage of Duckett burials compared with marriages and=20
baptisms). Rodney Stoke Church is as close as Cheddar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also Wedmore =
marriages,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> 25 1 1710 Edward Duckett and =
Elizabeth=20
Taylor.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>11 2 1769 William Reeve and Mary =
Duckett.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mary was a widow by the name of =
Nuttycomb, she=20
married Edward Duckett on 27 1 1760 in Wedmore. I understand her =
maiden name=20
was Wall. Robert Nutticombe married Mary Wall on 1 2 1759 in =
Wedmore. He=20
died on 7 9 1759 in Wedmore. Fast work!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Matthew</FONT></DIV>
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</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Drftorrent@primusonline.com.au=20
href=3D"mailto:rftorrent@primusonline.com.au">Rosalind Torrent</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dmathew.ducket1@btopenworld.com=20
href=3D"mailto:mathew.ducket1@btopenworld.com">Mathew Duckett</A> =
; <A=20
title=3D1nunn@bigpond.net.au =
href=3D"mailto:1nunn@bigpond.net.au">Lyn Nunn</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 10, =
2007 2:55=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Eliza Banwell =
& Eleanor=20
Duckett</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dear Mathew and=20
Lyn,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tim =
Curtin</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=20
forwarded information to me about your entry on the Wedmore lists=20
regarding a Bible and Eliza Banwell and Eleanor Duckett. Whilst I =
probably=20
cannot be of much assistance with that line of enquiry, I thought =
it might=20
be useful to mention the connection I might have with the =
Banwells,=20
Ducketts and other families from Rodney Stoke, Draycott and =
surrounds. My=20
ancestors were essentially Reeves, Hill and Taylor and amongst my =
research=20
I have come across marriages with Ducketts and Banwells. I have =
just got a=20
couple of Grimsteed wills which mention Henry Banwell of Nyland. I =
am=20
happy to share more details of my research with you if you see a =
possible=20
connection to your enquiry.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would also like to =
mention=20
that I am happy to communicate with anyone who might have an =
enquiry about=20
anyone who passed through the doors of </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">St=20
Leonard</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">=92s, Rodney Stoke =
(alive or=20
dead) or who lived in Draycott. I seem to be able to find a =
connection=20
with just about everybody. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ros =
Torrent</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUO=
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