[WED]Louisa Dyer
Stephen L. Brown
wedmore@lists.tutton.org
Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:34:06 -0500
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Hi Mary,
In response to your questions regarding the Census. It is an =
extraction from the parish of Wilton. This is a parish about twenty =
miles south west of Wedmore and includes besides the village of Wilton =
the hamlets of Haines Hill and Sherford. This area today has been =
generally swallowed up by the town of Taunton. The family of George =
Culverwell Brown are living there in 1851 although he was born at =
Culmstock , which brings me to a question for the group. Is there a =
hamlet or village in Somerset called Culmstock? I do know of a parish in =
Devon about 10 miles south west of Taunton with that name.
I did get a chance to look at the 1881 Census this evening for =
Louisa. She is living at Park Street , Wilton which is the same Wilton =
as in the 1851 Census. She is a widow age 64 living on income from homes =
and her birth place has been transcribed as Clevrhom which I have =
retranscribed as Claverham which as you know is part of the parish of =
Yatton. In the same census I found James Culverwell Brown born Wedmore =
living at 5 Calton Terrace , Taunton St.James. We do have a member here =
Sue Hembury Kellow that I believe lives at Taunton and perhaps can give =
you some help with these locales. His wifes name is Fanny age 34 and he =
is a retired draper. This is the same James from the 1851 Census that =
was born at Wedmore. All I can say is the drapery business must of been =
kick in those days . . James and his father both retired in their early =
forties!
Now I would love to to able to tell you that there is a connection =
between these folks and the Wedmore Browns but I do not see it. There =
are a James and Mary Culverwell living at Wedmore in 1851 and I assume =
that the Hannah that married James Brown , the visiting brother , is =
their daughter. Perhaps John Hayward or Stan Mapstone would be so kind =
as to do a marriage look up for you. Their son George was baptised =
Wedmore in Dec 1841.
I theorise that the two brothers were partners in business and =
operated that business at Wedmore either after the marriage to the =
Culverwell girl or perhaps they were there before and that is how they =
met. I seem to remember reading somewhere of a Culverwell leaving a =
considerable amount of money to the poor of Wedmore or some such thing. =
They apparently were quite wealthy.
Now as to the discrepancies in the 1851 Census. The age given for =
Louisa is of no significance . . . it is a simple transcriptin error. =
The listing of her place of birth as Chew Magna however is a major =
problem. Chew Magna is not even close to Yatton and as she states Yatton =
in the 1881 Census one naturally questions if this is indeed the same =
person. I know she was baptised at Yatton but do you have absolute =
evidence as to her birth there? If there is one thing I have learned =
from Somerset genealogical research it is this ; never assume that =
because someone is baptised at a certain parish that they were also born =
there. The corollary is that if a child is born at a certain parish this =
by no means=20
implies that the parents were resident there at the time. Women in those =
days had a period of ' lying in ' before birth=20
and particularly if it was their first child would perhaps go to the =
home of for example an older sister who already had started a family. =
This person might live many miles away and so the child is born at Chew =
Magna but never spent more than a few days there. When she is young as =
every child does she asks her parents where she was born and remembers =
this but as her entire recollection of being brought up was at Yatton =
she might well as the years pass associate this as her birth place also. =
There are many examples of the same people giving different places of =
birth in Census returns.=20
I hope that some of this information has been useful ,
Regards ,=20
Stephen L. Brown slb2@ix.netcom.com
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Hi Mary,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> <STRONG>In =
response to=20
your questions regarding the Census. It is an extraction from the parish =
of=20
Wilton. This is a parish about twenty miles south west of Wedmore and =
includes=20
besides the village of Wilton the hamlets of Haines Hill and Sherford. =
This area=20
today has been generally swallowed up by the town of Taunton. The family =
of=20
George Culverwell Brown are living there in 1851 although he was born at =
Culmstock , which brings me to a question for the group. Is there a =
hamlet or=20
village in Somerset called Culmstock? I do know of a parish in Devon =
about 10=20
miles south west of Taunton</STRONG></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG> with=20
that name.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
I did get a=20
chance to look at the 1881 Census this evening for Louisa. She is living =
at Park=20
Street , Wilton which is the same Wilton as in the 1851 Census. She is a =
widow=20
age 64 living on income from homes and her birth place has been =
transcribed as=20
Clevrhom which I have retranscribed as Claverham which as you know is=20
part of the parish of Yatton. In the same census I found James =
Culverwell=20
Brown born Wedmore living at 5 Calton Terrace , Taunton St.James. =
We do=20
have a member here Sue Hembury Kellow that I believe lives at Taunton =
and=20
perhaps can give you some help with these locales. His wifes name is =
Fanny age=20
34 and he is a retired draper. This is the same James from the 1851 =
Census that=20
was born at Wedmore. All I can say is the drapery business must of been =
kick in=20
those days . . James and his father both retired in their early=20
forties!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
Now I would=20
love to to able to tell you that there is a connection between these =
folks and=20
the Wedmore Browns but I do not see it. There are a James and Mary =
Culverwell=20
living at Wedmore in 1851 and I assume that the Hannah that married =
James Brown=20
, the visiting brother , is their daughter. Perhaps John Hayward or Stan =
Mapstone would be so kind as to do a marriage look up for you. Their son =
George=20
was baptised Wedmore in Dec 1841.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
I theorise=20
that the two brothers were partners in business and operated that =
business at=20
Wedmore either after the marriage to the Culverwell girl or perhaps they =
were=20
there before and that is how they met. I seem to remember reading =
somewhere of a=20
Culverwell leaving a considerable amount of money to the poor of Wedmore =
or some=20
such thing. They apparently were quite wealthy.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
Now as to=20
the discrepancies in the 1851 Census. The age given for Louisa is of no=20
significance . . . it is a simple transcriptin error. The listing of her =
place=20
of birth as Chew Magna however is a major problem. Chew Magna is not =
even close=20
to Yatton and as she states Yatton in the 1881 Census one naturally =
questions if this is indeed the same person. I know she was baptised at =
Yatton=20
but do you have absolute evidence as to her birth there? If there is one =
thing I=20
have learned from Somerset genealogical research it is this ; never =
assume that=20
because someone is baptised at a certain parish that they were also born =
there.=20
The corollary is that if a child is born at a certain parish this by no =
means=20
</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>implies that the parents were =
resident=20
there at the time. Women in those days had a period of ' lying in ' =
before birth=20
</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>and particularly if it was =
their first=20
child would perhaps go to the home of for example an older sister who =
already=20
had started a family. This person might live many miles away and so the =
child is=20
born at Chew Magna but never spent more than a few days there. When she =
is young=20
as every child does she asks her parents where she was born=20
and</STRONG></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> remembers this =
but as her=20
entire recollection of being brought up was at Yatton she might well as =
the=20
years pass associate this as her birth place also. There are many =
examples of=20
the same people giving different places of birth in Census returns.=20
</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG> I hope=20
that some of this information has been useful ,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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Regards , </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
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sp; =20
Stephen L. =
Brown <A=20
href=3D"mailto:slb2@ix.netcom.com">slb2@ix.netcom.com</A></STRONG></FONT>=
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