[WED]Louisa Dyer
John Hayward
wedmore@lists.tutton.org
Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:09:31 +0100
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I've looked 1825 - 1846 Wedmore and could see no marriage between a =
James Brown and a Hannah.
John V Hayward
in The Heritage Coast, Suffolk, England.
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From: Stephen L. Brown=20
To: wedmore@lists.tutton.org=20
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 12:34 AM
Subject: [WED]Louisa Dyer
Hi Mary,
In response to your questions regarding the Census. It is an =
extraction from the parish of Wilton. This is a parish about twenty =
miles south west of Wedmore and includes besides the village of Wilton =
the hamlets of Haines Hill and Sherford. This area today has been =
generally swallowed up by the town of Taunton. The family of George =
Culverwell Brown are living there in 1851 although he was born at =
Culmstock , which brings me to a question for the group. Is there a =
hamlet or village in Somerset called Culmstock? I do know of a parish in =
Devon about 10 miles south west of Taunton with that name.
I did get a chance to look at the 1881 Census this evening for =
Louisa. She is living at Park Street , Wilton which is the same Wilton =
as in the 1851 Census. She is a widow age 64 living on income from homes =
and her birth place has been transcribed as Clevrhom which I have =
retranscribed as Claverham which as you know is part of the parish of =
Yatton. In the same census I found James Culverwell Brown born Wedmore =
living at 5 Calton Terrace , Taunton St.James. We do have a member here =
Sue Hembury Kellow that I believe lives at Taunton and perhaps can give =
you some help with these locales. His wifes name is Fanny age 34 and he =
is a retired draper. This is the same James from the 1851 Census that =
was born at Wedmore. All I can say is the drapery business must of been =
kick in those days . . James and his father both retired in their early =
forties!
Now I would love to to able to tell you that there is a =
connection between these folks and the Wedmore Browns but I do not see =
it. There are a James and Mary Culverwell living at Wedmore in 1851 and =
I assume that the Hannah that married James Brown , the visiting brother =
, is their daughter. Perhaps John Hayward or Stan Mapstone would be so =
kind as to do a marriage look up for you. Their son George was baptised =
Wedmore in Dec 1841.
I theorise that the two brothers were partners in business and =
operated that business at Wedmore either after the marriage to the =
Culverwell girl or perhaps they were there before and that is how they =
met. I seem to remember reading somewhere of a Culverwell leaving a =
considerable amount of money to the poor of Wedmore or some such thing. =
They apparently were quite wealthy.
Now as to the discrepancies in the 1851 Census. The age given =
for Louisa is of no significance . . . it is a simple transcriptin =
error. The listing of her place of birth as Chew Magna however is a =
major problem. Chew Magna is not even close to Yatton and as she states =
Yatton in the 1881 Census one naturally questions if this is indeed the =
same person. I know she was baptised at Yatton but do you have absolute =
evidence as to her birth there? If there is one thing I have learned =
from Somerset genealogical research it is this ; never assume that =
because someone is baptised at a certain parish that they were also born =
there. The corollary is that if a child is born at a certain parish this =
by no means=20
implies that the parents were resident there at the time. Women in =
those days had a period of ' lying in ' before birth=20
and particularly if it was their first child would perhaps go to the =
home of for example an older sister who already had started a family. =
This person might live many miles away and so the child is born at Chew =
Magna but never spent more than a few days there. When she is young as =
every child does she asks her parents where she was born and remembers =
this but as her entire recollection of being brought up was at Yatton =
she might well as the years pass associate this as her birth place also. =
There are many examples of the same people giving different places of =
birth in Census returns.=20
I hope that some of this information has been useful ,
Regards ,=20
Stephen L. Brown =
slb2@ix.netcom.com
=20
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<DIV>John V Hayward<BR>in The Heritage Coast, Suffolk, England.<BR><A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [WED]Louisa Dyer</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Hi =
Mary,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> <STRONG>In =
response to=20
your questions regarding the Census. It is an extraction from the =
parish of=20
Wilton. This is a parish about twenty miles south west of Wedmore and =
includes=20
besides the village of Wilton the hamlets of Haines Hill and Sherford. =
This=20
area today has been generally swallowed up by the town of Taunton. The =
family=20
of George Culverwell Brown are living there in 1851 although he was =
born at=20
Culmstock , which brings me to a question for the group. Is there a =
hamlet or=20
village in Somerset called Culmstock? I do know of a parish in Devon =
about 10=20
miles south west of Taunton</STRONG></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG>=20
with that name.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> I did get=20
a chance to look at the 1881 Census this evening for Louisa. She is =
living at=20
Park Street , Wilton which is the same Wilton as in the 1851 Census. =
She is a=20
widow age 64 living on income from homes and her birth place has been=20
transcribed as Clevrhom which I have retranscribed as Claverham which =
as you=20
know is part of the parish of Yatton. In the same census I found =
James=20
Culverwell Brown born Wedmore living at 5 Calton Terrace , =
Taunton=20
St.James. We do have a member here Sue Hembury Kellow that I believe =
lives at=20
Taunton and perhaps can give you some help with these locales. His =
wifes name=20
is Fanny age 34 and he is a retired draper. This is the same James =
from the=20
1851 Census that was born at Wedmore. All I can say is the drapery =
business=20
must of been kick in those days . . James and his father both retired =
in their=20
early forties!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG> Now I=20
would love to to able to tell you that there is a connection between =
these=20
folks and the Wedmore Browns but I do not see it. There are a James =
and Mary=20
Culverwell living at Wedmore in 1851 and I assume that the Hannah that =
married=20
James Brown , the visiting brother , is their daughter. Perhaps John =
Hayward=20
or Stan Mapstone would be so kind as to do a marriage look up for you. =
Their=20
son George was baptised Wedmore in Dec 1841.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG> I theorise=20
that the two brothers were partners in business and operated that =
business at=20
Wedmore either after the marriage to the Culverwell girl or perhaps =
they were=20
there before and that is how they met. I seem to remember reading =
somewhere of=20
a Culverwell leaving a considerable amount of money to the poor of =
Wedmore or=20
some such thing. They apparently were quite =
wealthy.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG> Now as to=20
the discrepancies in the 1851 Census. The age given for Louisa is of =
no=20
significance . . . it is a simple transcriptin error. The listing of =
her place=20
of birth as Chew Magna however is a major problem. Chew Magna is not =
even=20
close to Yatton and as she states Yatton in the 1881 Census one =
naturally=20
questions if this is indeed the same person. I know she was baptised =
at Yatton=20
but do you have absolute evidence as to her birth there? If there is =
one thing=20
I have learned from Somerset genealogical research it is this ; never =
assume=20
that because someone is baptised at a certain parish that they were =
also born=20
there. The corollary is that if a child is born at a certain parish =
this by no=20
means </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>implies that the parents were =
resident=20
there at the time. Women in those days had a period of ' lying in ' =
before=20
birth </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>and particularly if it was =
their first=20
child would perhaps go to the home of for example an older sister who =
already=20
had started a family. This person might live many miles away and so =
the child=20
is born at Chew Magna but never spent more than a few days there. When =
she is=20
young as every child does she asks her parents where she was born=20
and</STRONG></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> remembers this =
but as her=20
entire recollection of being brought up was at Yatton she might well =
as the=20
years pass associate this as her birth place also. There are many =
examples of=20
the same people giving different places of birth in Census returns.=20
</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG> I=20
hope that some of this information has been useful =
,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
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size=3D2><STRONG> &n=
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Regards , </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
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Brown =20
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