[WED]Browns of Wedmore
Len and Phyll Pearson
wedmore@lists.tutton.org
Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:28:39 +1200
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Hello Stephen
RE the exodus of Somerset people to Wales, A couple of the Axbridge =
Templars married glouc people and moved to Cardiff.They owned a number =
of pubs there. Some ended up in Newport also.
Phyllis Pearson
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From: Stephen L. Brown=20
To: wedmore@lists.tutton.org=20
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:04 AM
Subject: [WED]Browns of Wedmore
Hi again Fay,
O.K. so I got one out of three . . . LOL. So just to finalise =
things . . it is the George Wall son of Robert Wall and Sarah Clarke =
baptized 12 Jun 1848 that married Eliza Jane Brown. The discrepency in =
their ages in the 1881 Census is not a problem. So here we have another =
example of two brothers marrying two sisters.
I might be able to add a little information on the George Wall =
son of Mark Wall and Ann Gummer that married Louisa Brown. The following =
entry is taken from Mark 1851.
Yarrow=20
WEST Thomas 74 Farmer 14 Acres Mark, Som.=20
Ann 33 Mark, Som.=20
GUMMER Mark Wall son 3 Scholar Mark, Som.=20
WEST Joseph Servant 15 Farm Servant Mark, Som.=20
I interpret this as Ann daughter of Thomas West marries a person =
by the name of Gummer who then dies. She then has an illegitimate child =
christened Mark Wall Gummer whose father is Mark Wall. Entries such as =
this often indicate a woman that has been traduced however in this case =
we know that Mark Wall and Ann Gummer married within a year or so and =
that they had a son George who became the husband of Louisa Brown. Mark =
Wall is the son of James Wall and Hannah also listed in Mark 1851.
Now there is a marriage at Wedmore on 19 Jan 1815 between James =
Wall a resident of Mark and Hannah Popham. They have a son George =
baptized at Wedmore 7 Feb 1815 whose father James is listed as a farmer =
of Westham. After this entry they dissapear to my knowledge from the =
Wedmore registers. Can we assume that they moved to Mark soon after this =
and named their next son for their new home. I have seen examples of =
this were children are baptized Wookey or Widcombe when the family have =
moved to these communities although it is usually as a second given =
name. It is a great clue sometimes in genealogical work. If this first =
assumption is correct then they are the same James and Hannah Wall in =
Mark 1851. It seems most likely. Who the parents of this James Wall and =
Hannah Popham are I do not know. Some of the Popham people here might =
know the answer.
As to the Mary Tincknell I did find a marriage of one Mary Ann =
Cooper to a Henry Tincknell in Mar 1872.
Also the following entry in 1851 Wedmore at Bagley might shed some =
light.
31=20
WARD Thomas 64 Penioner Ag. Lab Wedmore, Som. B. Wife 47 Wookey=20
COOPER M.A. Daughter 8 Scholar Wedmore, Som.
A rather cryptic entry indicating that a B. married a Cooper who =
died in the late 1840's possibly buried at Wookey. This B. then married =
Thomas Ward. I also found a marriage between a Betsey Read and a William =
Cooper in Jun 1842. I think we can assume that this Betsey Read is the =
B. in the above and that M.A. Cooper is Mary Ann Cooper future wife of =
Henry Tincknell. There is a marriage record at Wedmore in 1828 between a =
Thomas Ward and Sarah Ganfield but no burial record for a Sarah Ward. =
The designation of pensioner almost always means Chelsea Pensioner so =
Sarah could of died and been buried anywhere from Gibralter to Calcutta.
In 1881 Wedmore there is a Mary Tincknell age 38 at the home of =
one George Stagg and his wife Sarah. Marys husband is not present but =
she is listed as a sister in law. I know there is someone here at the =
group who specialises in Tincknells whose name escapes me but I believe =
we are looking for a marriage between this George Stagg and a Sarah =
Tincknell. This Sarah Tincknell could well be the daughter of Simon and =
Sarah Tincknell close neighbours of Thomas Ward at Bagley. If they also =
had a son Henry then . . . case closed.
You are correct about so many Somerset people migrating to South =
Wales for work. There is one other Brown family of Wedmore located at =
Whitchurch , Glamorgan in the 1881 Census. The wife Jane and three =
children are at home. The father and another son would seem to be =
visiting Wedmore at the time although the father seems to have avoided =
enumeration. See the Wedmore entry for Alfred Brice. I am sorry to say I =
have no knowledge of these folks.
Finally you did not mention the Ann Wall that married Joseph =
Brown . . . do you have any information on her?
Best wishes Faye and keep up the good work.
Yours,=20
Stephen L. Brown slb2@ix.netcom.com
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Stephen</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>RE the exodus of Somerset people to =
Wales, A=20
couple of the Axbridge Templars married glouc people and moved to=20
Cardiff.They owned a number of pubs there. Some ended up in Newport=20
also.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Phyllis Pearson</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 23, =
2002 7:04=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [WED]Browns of =
Wedmore</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Hi again =
Fay,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG> O.K. so I=20
got one out of three . . . LOL. So just to finalise things . . it is =
the=20
George Wall son of Robert Wall and Sarah Clarke baptized 12 Jun 1848 =
that=20
married Eliza Jane Brown. The discrepency in their ages in the 1881 =
Census is=20
not a problem. So here we have another example of two brothers =
marrying two=20
sisters.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG> I might be=20
able to add a little information on the George Wall son of Mark Wall =
and Ann=20
Gummer that married Louisa Brown. The following entry is taken from =
Mark=20
1851.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Yarrow </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>WEST Thomas 74 Farmer 14 =
Acres Mark, Som.=20
</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Ann 33 Mark, Som. =
</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>GUMMER Mark Wall son 3 =
Scholar Mark, Som.=20
</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>WEST Joseph Servant 15 Farm =
Servant Mark,=20
Som. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
I=20
interpret this as Ann daughter of Thomas West marries a person by the =
name of=20
Gummer who then dies. She then has an illegitimate child christened =
Mark Wall=20
Gummer whose father is Mark Wall. Entries such as this often indicate =
a woman=20
that has been traduced however in this case we know that Mark Wall and =
Ann=20
Gummer married within a year or so and that they had a son George who =
became=20
the husband of Louisa Brown. Mark Wall is the son of James Wall and =
Hannah=20
also listed in Mark 1851.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG> Now there=20
is a marriage at Wedmore on 19 Jan 1815 between James Wall a resident =
of Mark=20
and Hannah Popham. They have a son George baptized at Wedmore 7 Feb =
1815 whose=20
father James is listed as a farmer of Westham. After this entry they =
dissapear=20
to my knowledge from the Wedmore registers. Can we assume that they =
moved to=20
Mark soon after this and named their next son for their new home. I =
have seen=20
examples of this were children are baptized Wookey or Widcombe when =
the family=20
have moved to these communities although it is usually as a second =
given name.=20
It is a great clue sometimes in genealogical work. If this first =
assumption is=20
correct then they are the same James and Hannah Wall in Mark 1851. It =
seems=20
most likely. Who the parents of this James Wall and Hannah Popham are =
I do not=20
know. Some of the Popham people here might know the=20
answer.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> As =
to the Mary=20
Tincknell I did find a marriage of one Mary Ann Cooper to a Henry =
Tincknell in=20
Mar 1872.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Also the following entry in =
1851 Wedmore=20
at Bagley might shed some light.</STRONG></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>31 </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>WARD Thomas 64 Penioner Ag. =
Lab Wedmore,=20
Som. B. Wife 47 Wookey </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>COOPER M.A. Daughter 8 =
Scholar Wedmore,=20
Som.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> A =
rather cryptic=20
entry indicating that a B. married a Cooper who died in the late =
1840's=20
possibly buried at Wookey. This B. then married Thomas Ward. I also =
found a=20
marriage between a Betsey Read and a William Cooper in Jun 1842. I =
think we=20
can assume that this Betsey Read is the B. in the above and that M.A. =
Cooper=20
is Mary Ann Cooper future wife of Henry Tincknell. There is a marriage =
record=20
at Wedmore in 1828 between a Thomas Ward and Sarah Ganfield but no =
burial=20
record for a Sarah Ward. The designation of pensioner almost always =
means=20
Chelsea Pensioner so Sarah could of died and been buried anywhere from =
Gibralter to Calcutta.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> In =
1881 Wedmore=20
there is a Mary Tincknell age 38 at the home of one George Stagg =
and his=20
wife Sarah. Marys husband is not present but she is listed as a sister =
in law.=20
I know there is someone here at the group who specialises in =
Tincknells whose=20
name escapes me but I believe we are looking for a marriage between =
this=20
George Stagg and a Sarah Tincknell. This Sarah Tincknell could well be =
the=20
daughter of Simon and Sarah Tincknell close neighbours of Thomas =
Ward at=20
Bagley. If they also had a son Henry then . . . case=20
closed.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> You =
are correct=20
about so many Somerset people migrating to South Wales for work. There =
is one=20
other Brown family of Wedmore located at Whitchurch , Glamorgan in the =
1881=20
Census. The wife Jane and three children are at home. The father and =
another=20
son would seem to be visiting Wedmore at the time although the father =
seems to=20
have avoided enumeration. See the Wedmore entry for Alfred Brice. I am =
sorry=20
to say I have no knowledge of these folks.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
Finally you did=20
not mention the Ann Wall that married Joseph Brown . . . do you have =
any=20
information on her?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> Best =
wishes Faye=20
and keep up the good work.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
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size=3D2><STRONG> &n=
bsp; =20
Yours, </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
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size=3D2><STRONG> &n=
bsp; =20
Stephen L. Brown <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:slb2@ix.netcom.com">slb2@ix.netcom.com</A></STRONG></FONT>=
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