[WED]Browns of Wedmore
John Hayward
wedmore@lists.tutton.org
Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:00:33 +0100
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Hi Phyliss
I have Hannah Popham have an Infant sibling born in 1790 which would =
indicate the child died at birth. Hannah 1792, Samuel 1794, Sylvia 1974, =
John 1798 and Jemima 1799. regretfully no Poppy.
John V Hayward
in The Heritage Coast, Suffolk, England.
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From: Len and Phyll Pearson=20
To: wedmore@lists.tutton.org=20
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WED]Browns of Wedmore
Hi Fay
Does your Hannah Popham have a sister..? I have a GG'uncle, William =
Templar, of Axbridge, b 1818, who married a Polly Popham. She apparently =
came from Compton Bishop. Don't know when she was born but she died =
1934. She and Wm had 3 children
regards=20
Phyllis Pearson
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From: Stephen L. Brown=20
To: wedmore@lists.tutton.org=20
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:04 AM
Subject: [WED]Browns of Wedmore
Hi again Fay,
O.K. so I got one out of three . . . LOL. So just to finalise =
things . . it is the George Wall son of Robert Wall and Sarah Clarke =
baptized 12 Jun 1848 that married Eliza Jane Brown. The discrepency in =
their ages in the 1881 Census is not a problem. So here we have another =
example of two brothers marrying two sisters.
I might be able to add a little information on the George Wall =
son of Mark Wall and Ann Gummer that married Louisa Brown. The following =
entry is taken from Mark 1851.
Yarrow=20
WEST Thomas 74 Farmer 14 Acres Mark, Som.=20
Ann 33 Mark, Som.=20
GUMMER Mark Wall son 3 Scholar Mark, Som.=20
WEST Joseph Servant 15 Farm Servant Mark, Som.=20
I interpret this as Ann daughter of Thomas West marries a =
person by the name of Gummer who then dies. She then has an illegitimate =
child christened Mark Wall Gummer whose father is Mark Wall. Entries =
such as this often indicate a woman that has been traduced however in =
this case we know that Mark Wall and Ann Gummer married within a year or =
so and that they had a son George who became the husband of Louisa =
Brown. Mark Wall is the son of James Wall and Hannah also listed in Mark =
1851.
Now there is a marriage at Wedmore on 19 Jan 1815 between =
James Wall a resident of Mark and Hannah Popham. They have a son George =
baptized at Wedmore 7 Feb 1815 whose father James is listed as a farmer =
of Westham. After this entry they dissapear to my knowledge from the =
Wedmore registers. Can we assume that they moved to Mark soon after this =
and named their next son for their new home. I have seen examples of =
this were children are baptized Wookey or Widcombe when the family have =
moved to these communities although it is usually as a second given =
name. It is a great clue sometimes in genealogical work. If this first =
assumption is correct then they are the same James and Hannah Wall in =
Mark 1851. It seems most likely. Who the parents of this James Wall and =
Hannah Popham are I do not know. Some of the Popham people here might =
know the answer.
As to the Mary Tincknell I did find a marriage of one Mary Ann =
Cooper to a Henry Tincknell in Mar 1872.
Also the following entry in 1851 Wedmore at Bagley might shed some =
light.
31=20
WARD Thomas 64 Penioner Ag. Lab Wedmore, Som. B. Wife 47 Wookey=20
COOPER M.A. Daughter 8 Scholar Wedmore, Som.
A rather cryptic entry indicating that a B. married a Cooper =
who died in the late 1840's possibly buried at Wookey. This B. then =
married Thomas Ward. I also found a marriage between a Betsey Read and a =
William Cooper in Jun 1842. I think we can assume that this Betsey Read =
is the B. in the above and that M.A. Cooper is Mary Ann Cooper future =
wife of Henry Tincknell. There is a marriage record at Wedmore in 1828 =
between a Thomas Ward and Sarah Ganfield but no burial record for a =
Sarah Ward. The designation of pensioner almost always means Chelsea =
Pensioner so Sarah could of died and been buried anywhere from Gibralter =
to Calcutta.
In 1881 Wedmore there is a Mary Tincknell age 38 at the home of =
one George Stagg and his wife Sarah. Marys husband is not present but =
she is listed as a sister in law. I know there is someone here at the =
group who specialises in Tincknells whose name escapes me but I believe =
we are looking for a marriage between this George Stagg and a Sarah =
Tincknell. This Sarah Tincknell could well be the daughter of Simon and =
Sarah Tincknell close neighbours of Thomas Ward at Bagley. If they also =
had a son Henry then . . . case closed.
You are correct about so many Somerset people migrating to =
South Wales for work. There is one other Brown family of Wedmore located =
at Whitchurch , Glamorgan in the 1881 Census. The wife Jane and three =
children are at home. The father and another son would seem to be =
visiting Wedmore at the time although the father seems to have avoided =
enumeration. See the Wedmore entry for Alfred Brice. I am sorry to say I =
have no knowledge of these folks.
Finally you did not mention the Ann Wall that married Joseph =
Brown . . . do you have any information on her?
Best wishes Faye and keep up the good work.
Yours,=20
Stephen L. Brown slb2@ix.netcom.com
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Phyliss</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have Hannah Popham have an Infant =
sibling born in=20
1790 which would indicate the child died at birth. Hannah 1792, =
Samuel=20
1794, Sylvia 1974, John 1798 and Jemima 1799. regretfully no =
Poppy.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>John V Hayward<BR>in The Heritage Coast, Suffolk, England.<BR><A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 22, =
2002 10:22=20
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Wedmore</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Fay</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Does your Hannah Popham have a =
sister..? I have a=20
GG'uncle, William Templar, of Axbridge, b 1818, who married a =
Polly=20
Popham. She apparently came from Compton Bishop. Don't know when she =
was born=20
but she died 1934. She and Wm had 3 children</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>regards </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Phyllis Pearson</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 23, =
2002 7:04=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [WED]Browns of =
Wedmore</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Hi again =
Fay,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG> O.K. so=20
I got one out of three . . . LOL. So just to finalise things . . it =
is the=20
George Wall son of Robert Wall and Sarah Clarke baptized 12 Jun 1848 =
that=20
married Eliza Jane Brown. The discrepency in their ages in the 1881 =
Census=20
is not a problem. So here we have another example of two brothers =
marrying=20
two sisters.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG> I might=20
be able to add a little information on the George Wall son of Mark =
Wall and=20
Ann Gummer that married Louisa Brown. The following entry is taken =
from Mark=20
1851.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Yarrow =
</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>WEST Thomas 74 Farmer 14 =
Acres Mark,=20
Som. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Ann 33 Mark, Som.=20
</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>GUMMER Mark Wall son 3 =
Scholar Mark,=20
Som. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>WEST Joseph Servant 15 Farm =
Servant=20
Mark, Som. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
I=20
interpret this as Ann daughter of Thomas West marries a person by =
the name=20
of Gummer who then dies. She then has an illegitimate child =
christened Mark=20
Wall Gummer whose father is Mark Wall. Entries such as this often =
indicate a=20
woman that has been traduced however in this case we know that Mark =
Wall and=20
Ann Gummer married within a year or so and that they had a son =
George who=20
became the husband of Louisa Brown. Mark Wall is the son of James =
Wall and=20
Hannah also listed in Mark 1851.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG> Now=20
there is a marriage at Wedmore on 19 Jan 1815 between James Wall a =
resident=20
of Mark and Hannah Popham. They have a son George baptized at =
Wedmore 7 Feb=20
1815 whose father James is listed as a farmer of Westham. After this =
entry=20
they dissapear to my knowledge from the Wedmore registers. Can we =
assume=20
that they moved to Mark soon after this and named their next son for =
their=20
new home. I have seen examples of this were children are baptized =
Wookey or=20
Widcombe when the family have moved to these communities although it =
is=20
usually as a second given name. It is a great clue sometimes in =
genealogical=20
work. If this first assumption is correct then they are the same =
James and=20
Hannah Wall in Mark 1851. It seems most likely. Who the parents of =
this=20
James Wall and Hannah Popham are I do not know. Some of the Popham =
people=20
here might know the answer.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> As =
to the Mary=20
Tincknell I did find a marriage of one Mary Ann Cooper to a Henry =
Tincknell=20
in Mar 1872.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Also the following entry in =
1851=20
Wedmore at Bagley might shed some light.</STRONG></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>31 </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>WARD Thomas 64 Penioner Ag. =
Lab=20
Wedmore, Som. B. Wife 47 Wookey </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>COOPER M.A. Daughter 8 =
Scholar Wedmore,=20
Som.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> A =
rather=20
cryptic entry indicating that a B. married a Cooper who died in the =
late=20
1840's possibly buried at Wookey. This B. then married Thomas Ward. =
I also=20
found a marriage between a Betsey Read and a William Cooper in Jun =
1842. I=20
think we can assume that this Betsey Read is the B. in the above and =
that=20
M.A. Cooper is Mary Ann Cooper future wife of Henry Tincknell. There =
is a=20
marriage record at Wedmore in 1828 between a Thomas Ward and Sarah =
Ganfield=20
but no burial record for a Sarah Ward. The designation of pensioner =
almost=20
always means Chelsea Pensioner so Sarah could of died and been =
buried=20
anywhere from Gibralter to Calcutta.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> In =
1881=20
Wedmore there is a Mary Tincknell age 38 at the home of one =
George=20
Stagg and his wife Sarah. Marys husband is not present but she is =
listed as=20
a sister in law. I know there is someone here at the group who =
specialises=20
in Tincknells whose name escapes me but I believe we are looking for =
a=20
marriage between this George Stagg and a Sarah Tincknell. This Sarah =
Tincknell could well be the daughter of Simon and Sarah =
Tincknell close=20
neighbours of Thomas Ward at Bagley. If they also had a son Henry =
then . . .=20
case closed.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
You are=20
correct about so many Somerset people migrating to South Wales for =
work.=20
There is one other Brown family of Wedmore located at Whitchurch , =
Glamorgan=20
in the 1881 Census. The wife Jane and three children are at home. =
The father=20
and another son would seem to be visiting Wedmore at the time =
although the=20
father seems to have avoided enumeration. See the Wedmore entry for =
Alfred=20
Brice. I am sorry to say I have no knowledge of these=20
folks.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
Finally you=20
did not mention the Ann Wall that married Joseph Brown . . . do you =
have any=20
information on her?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG> =
Best wishes=20
Faye and keep up the good work.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
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size=3D2><STRONG> &n=
bsp; =20
Yours, </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
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size=3D2><STRONG> &n=
bsp; =20
Stephen L. Brown <A=20
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href=3D"mailto:slb2@ix.netcom.com">slb2@ix.netcom.com</A></STRONG></FONT>=
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