[WED]Councel family
Lyn Nunn
wedmore@lists.tutton.org
Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:51:00 +1000
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Thanks Mathew. For the others -
I have done a bit of work on the Counsels and I have a few trees =
(including one by Stan Castle) that I bought from the Family History =
Society a few years ago. I still need to do a lot more on them - =
especially the detail like where and how they lived. There is a Lyn =
Patrick in NZ that does a one-name study on them but it may not be an =
official one. My Great Great Grandfather, Thomas Tincknell, son of Simon =
Tincknell and Charlotte Duckett married Emma Counsel born in Stoughton =
1841 baptised in Mark. Her parents were Job Counsel born in Westham died =
at Wells Way and Elizabeth Ganfield. I have a photo of Job's brother, =
Lot. Jeffrey Counsel's great great grandmother was Rhoda Counsel, sister =
of my Emma and it all ties in with Greg Patch also on the list.
Lyn
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mathew Duckett=20
To: Wedmore lists=20
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 2:59 AM
Subject: [WED]Councel family
Hello Lyn, I thought I would bring this back to the list in case there =
is any other interest. I am nearly certain that Jeff Councell is Eric =
Wride's contact but I have not yet checked.
The Councells were in Westham (hamlet) from the 1560s until at least =
1841. In 1851 they were still at Keyton Hill which is half way from =
Westham to Wells Way, Blackford by road. Their connection with Westham =
Farm in less clear. Hazel Hudson tells me that Richard Councell held =
Westham Farm in 1608 but that the tenant was Christopher Latcham. It =
then passed to Margery Hodges who was Richard's daughter and out of the =
family.
You should remember that the term "held" can mean ownership or a long =
lease by "copyhold" such leases where bought and sold but did come to an =
end if not renewed, sub tenancies were permitted.
In 1841 Westham Farm appears to be occupied by John Councell. =
Unfortunately the enumerator did not do Westham in a systematic order, =
covering the ground maybe four times. John Councell's neighbour in the =
census was Joseph Toogood. We know he lived at Bay Tree Farm which is =
next door to Westham Farm; what we have is a best guess. In 1851 the =
tenant appears to be Charles Latcham, a butter merchant, again this is =
an estimate based on knowing where everyone else lived. The problem is =
that Charles Latcham does not record if he was a farmer and Westham Farm =
was a comparatively large farm at 80-90 acres. By 1861 the tenant was =
John Ham, when he died in 1875 my great grand father Thomas Duckett =
moved here. The house here now was not built before 1700 and was =
extended around 1800 possibly as two dwellings but the interconnections =
are old and I suspect the "two families" would be closely related. I =
hope later to try and use the parish records and the censuses to work =
out who was living where in Westham from 1560 onwards. The hamlet has =
basically been eight farms for a very long time.
Regards Matthew.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks Mathew. For the others =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have done a bit of work on the =
Counsels and I=20
have a few trees (including one by Stan Castle) that I bought from =
the=20
Family History Society a few years ago. I still need to do a lot more on =
them -=20
especially the detail like where and how they lived. There is a Lyn =
Patrick in=20
NZ that does a one-name study on them but it may not be an official =
one. My Great Great Grandfather, Thomas Tincknell, son =
of Simon=20
Tincknell and Charlotte Duckett married Emma Counsel born in =
Stoughton 1841=20
baptised in Mark. Her parents were Job Counsel born in Westham died at =
Wells Way=20
and Elizabeth Ganfield. I have a photo of Job's brother, Lot. Jeffrey =
Counsel's=20
great great grandmother was Rhoda Counsel, sister of my Emma and it all =
ties in=20
with Greg Patch also on the list.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lyn</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [WED]Councel =
family</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Lyn, I thought I would bring =
this back to=20
the list in case there is any other interest. I am nearly certain that =
Jeff=20
Councell is Eric Wride's contact but I have not yet =
checked.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Councells were in Westham =
(hamlet) from the=20
1560s until at least 1841. In 1851 they were still at Keyton Hill =
which is=20
half way from Westham to Wells Way, Blackford by road. Their =
connection with=20
Westham Farm in less clear. Hazel Hudson tells me that Richard=20
Councell held Westham Farm in 1608 but that the tenant was =
Christopher=20
Latcham. It then passed to Margery Hodges who was Richard's daughter =
and out=20
of the family.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You should remember that the term =
"held" can mean=20
ownership or a long lease by "copyhold" such leases where bought and =
sold but=20
did come to an end if not renewed, sub tenancies were =
permitted.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In 1841 Westham Farm appears to be =
occupied by=20
John Councell. Unfortunately the enumerator did not do Westham in =
a=20
systematic order, covering the ground maybe four times. John =
Councell's=20
neighbour in the census was Joseph Toogood. We know he lived at Bay =
Tree Farm=20
which is next door to Westham Farm; what we have is a best guess. In =
1851 the=20
tenant appears to be Charles Latcham, a butter merchant, again this is =
an=20
estimate based on knowing where everyone else lived. The problem =
is that=20
Charles Latcham does not record if he was a farmer and Westham Farm =
was a=20
comparatively large farm at 80-90 acres. By 1861 the tenant was John =
Ham, when=20
he died in 1875 my great grand father Thomas Duckett moved here. The =
house=20
here now was not built before 1700 and was extended around 1800 =
possibly as=20
two dwellings but the interconnections are old and I suspect the "two=20
families" would be closely related. I hope later to try and use the =
parish=20
records and the censuses to work out who was living where in Westham =
from 1560=20
onwards. The hamlet has basically been eight farms for a very long=20
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards=20
Matthew.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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