[WED]Councel family

Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:13:41 -0500

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Hello Matthew

I found this message interesting because of the reference to Charles LATCHAM.
In 1840 Charles is a carrier in Blackford on his son Frank's baptism 
record. He is then a butter dealer in Blackford on the 1841 census and in 
1846 on his dau's baptism record. The 1851 census at Westham and in 1858 
same on son's baptism record.
In 1861 & 1871 he is a farmer of 50 acres in Westham. In 1881 he is living 
at Belle View Mews, Bedminster where he is a dairyman.

If he lived at Westham Farm in 1851 he must have moved to another farm in 
Westham by 1861 as he only has 50 acres.
And of course we know that John HAM was on Westham Farm in 1861.
Is it possible that Charles was on the 50 acre farm in 1851?...not the 
80-90 acre Westham Farm?
Was everyone in Westham on a farm...were there no houses not on farms where 
a butter dealer might have lived?

Sorry to ramble on like this but when I see the name LATCHAM mentioned I 
get excited. It is my maiden name and when I was growing up I never knew 
any one else other than my parents and grandparents with what therefore 
seemed to me a strange and unusual name.

Regards

Marjorie
Canada

At 04:59 PM 15/12/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>Hello Lyn, I thought I would bring this back to the list in case there is 
>any other interest. I am nearly certain that Jeff Councell is Eric Wride's 
>contact but I have not yet checked.
>The Councells were in Westham (hamlet) from the 1560s until at least 1841. 
>In 1851 they were still at Keyton Hill which is half way from Westham to 
>Wells Way, Blackford by road. Their connection with Westham Farm in less 
>clear. Hazel Hudson tells me that Richard Councell held Westham Farm in 
>1608 but that the tenant was Christopher Latcham. It then passed to 
>Margery Hodges who was Richard's daughter and out of the family.
>You should remember that the term "held" can mean ownership or a long 
>lease by "copyhold" such leases where bought and sold but did come to an 
>end if not renewed, sub tenancies were permitted.
>In 1841 Westham Farm appears to be occupied by John Councell. 
>Unfortunately the enumerator did not do Westham in a systematic order, 
>covering the ground maybe four times. John Councell's neighbour in the 
>census was Joseph Toogood. We know he lived at Bay Tree Farm which is next 
>door to Westham Farm; what we have is a best guess. In 1851 the tenant 
>appears to be Charles Latcham, a butter merchant, again this is an 
>estimate based on knowing where everyone else lived. The problem is that 
>Charles Latcham does not record if he was a farmer and Westham Farm was a 
>comparatively large farm at 80-90 acres. By 1861 the tenant was John Ham, 
>when he died in 1875 my great grand father Thomas Duckett moved here. The 
>house here now was not built before 1700 and was extended around 1800 
>possibly as two dwellings but the interconnections are old and I suspect 
>the "two families" would be closely related. I hope later to try and use 
>the parish records and the censuses to work out who was living where in 
>Westham from 1560 onwards. The hamlet has basically been eight farms for a 
>very long time.
>Regards Matthew.

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Hello Matthew 
I found this message interesting because of the reference to Charles
LATCHAM. 
In 1840 Charles is a carrier in Blackford on his son Frank's baptism
record. He is then a butter dealer in Blackford on the 1841 census and in
1846 on his dau's baptism record. The 1851 census at Westham and in 1858
same on son's baptism record. 
In 1861 &amp; 1871 he is a farmer of 50 acres in Westham. In 1881 he is
living at Belle View Mews, Bedminster where he is a dairyman. 
If he lived at Westham Farm in 1851 he must have moved to another farm in
Westham by 1861 as he only has 50 acres. 
And of course we know that John HAM was on Westham Farm in 1861. 
Is it possible that Charles was on the 50 acre farm in 1851?...not the
80-90 acre Westham Farm? 
Was everyone in Westham on a farm...were there no houses not on farms
where a butter dealer might have lived? 
Sorry to ramble on like this but when I see the name LATCHAM mentioned I
get excited. It is my maiden name and when I was growing up I never knew
any one else other than my parents and grandparents with what therefore
seemed to me a strange and unusual name. 
Regards 
Marjorie 
Canada 
At 04:59 PM 15/12/2004 +0000, you wrote: 
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Lyn, I thought I would bring this back to the list in case there is any
other interest. I am nearly certain that Jeff Councell is Eric Wride's
contact but I have not yet checked. 
The Councells were in Westham (hamlet) from th=
e
1560s until at least 1841. In 1851 they were still at Keyton Hill which
is half way from Westham to Wells Way, Blackford by road. Their
connection with Westham Farm in less clear. Hazel Hudson tells me that
Richard Councell held Westham Farm in 1608 but that the tenant was
Christopher Latcham. It then passed to Margery Hodges who was Richard's
daughter and out of the family. 
You should remember that the term
&quot;held&quot; can mean ownership or a long lease by
&quot;copyhold&quot; such leases where bought and sold but did come to an
end if not renewed, sub tenancies were permitted. 
In 1841 Westham Farm appears to be occupied by
John Councell. Unfortunately the enumerator did not do Westham in a
systematic order, covering the ground maybe four times. John Councell's
neighbour in the census was Joseph Toogood. We know he lived at Bay Tree
Farm which is next door to Westham Farm; what we have is a best guess. In
1851 the tenant appears to be Charles Latcham, a butter merchant, again
this is an estimate based on knowing where everyone else lived. The
problem is that Charles Latcham does not record if he was a farmer and
Westham Farm was a comparatively large farm at 80-90 acres. By 1861 the
tenant was John Ham, when he died in 1875 my great grand father Thomas
Duckett moved here. The house here now was not built before 1700 and was
extended around 1800 possibly as two dwellings but the interconnections
are old and I suspect the &quot;two families&quot; would be closely
related. I hope later to try and use the parish records and the censuses
to work out who was living where in Westham from 1560 onwards. The hamlet
has basically been eight farms for a very long time. 
Regards Matthew.</blockquote> 
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